Someone please, talk me out of this...

"Future next gen S2000 owner" (future-next-gen-s2000-owner) 05/22/2018 at 16:19 • Filed to: boatlopnik

0

45

I’ve checked the weights. I’ve got the capacity.

!!! UNKNOWN CONTENT TYPE !!!

!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!!

Taco is rated for 6,500 lbs with surge brakes and a 640 lb tongue weight. Boat is listed at 4,190 lbs with the trailer coming it at 1180 lbs. Trailer is designed for 5-10% tongue weight. That’s puts the whole package at 5370 lbs, and lets call it 550 lbs on the tongue. That leaves over 1,000 lbs for gear people and fuel.

I’m going to need some help on this one.

HammerheadFistpunch > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:28

0

You are more levelheaded than my family that bought the boat then decided they don’t have the capacity.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:32

0

I feel like a Taco would struggle with that, especially if you are ever going through the mountains. I have that boat though (1996)...it’s a great all around boat and this one has the duo-prop which they really do need (that or a 7.4 engine). Mine struggles to get it’s fat ass out of the water when loaded to capacity. I pulled mine with my ‘93 F150 for a bit and it struggled on the freeway (though I have the I6), what engine does your Taco have?

vicali > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:34

0

Get a scanguage and watch your atf temps. Keep it out of D. Look at some Firestone airbags. Get a brake controller. Look at upgrading the OEM Trans Cooler.

It can be done. Bigger trucks are made for it - but the Tacoma can pull up to the towing limit if you are smart about it.

Future next gen S2000 owner > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 05/22/2018 at 16:36

1

3.5L. My old man had a 93 F-150 with the 6 cylinder when I was growing up and learning to drive. Manual, long bed and 4x4. My Taco has much more power. The low end grunt on the F-150 was solid though.

Edit: Specs show I have over 2x the hp, though slightly less torque and at a higher rpm.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > vicali 05/22/2018 at 16:38

1

No electric brakes on these, most boat trailers use hydraulic brakes and the tongue pushes on a cylinder to engage the brakes.

Future next gen S2000 owner > vicali 05/22/2018 at 16:38

0

No trans cooler, it’s a manual. Surge brakes on the trailer.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:40

1

I figured the Taco would have more power, just didn’t know how much. My F150 never struggled on the ramp or getting going, but staying at freeway speeds on a grade was not a possibility.

Future next gen S2000 owner > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 05/22/2018 at 16:41

2

Which precludes the use of a weight distribution hitch. That’s a bummer.

Future next gen S2000 owner > MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s 05/22/2018 at 16:42

1

I-6 maxed at 150hp, but had almost 300 ft-lbs. Crazy how old motors were built.

MasterMario - Keeper of the V8s > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:44

1

Yea, it’s basically a glorified tractor engine

Future next gen S2000 owner > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 16:45

1

I’ve run into that. I gotta keep myself in check. Although I’ve found this and I’m pretty sure I can get out of the Taco and into it with only a could grand difference.

https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/735962870/overview/

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:51

0

i looked at that ad and thought wow thats a good price, then i realized it was a gasser and everything became clear lol

dropthatclutch > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:52

0

Get an open bow. Closed bow just gets used to store life jackets.

Future next gen S2000 owner > Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero 05/22/2018 at 16:54

1

You get some spark plugs! And you get some spark plugs! Everyone gets some spark plugs!

Future next gen S2000 owner > dropthatclutch 05/22/2018 at 16:54

1

I’ve got one now. No place to get the girls out of the shade. Plus camping overnight.

vicali > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:56

1

https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/advice-on-towing-with-6spd.18202/

HammerheadFistpunch > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:56

0

This.

jkm7680 > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:56

1

You can for sure tow that with the Tacoma. No need to buy a bigger truck for that.

I’ve overloaded my Tacoma before and it doesn’t complain.

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 05/22/2018 at 16:58

2

I think people are overthinking this. The Tacoma is certified to the new J2807 standard which means it has to do the rated load in hot/high conditions already. I honestly think you would have no trouble at all with this weight from the word go. I mean, it will be slow, but yeah.

HammerheadFistpunch > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 16:59

1

This might help? testing 5600 lb trailer high altitude towing test.

Future next gen S2000 owner > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 17:02

1

If the house sale comes through clean, and I can convince the missus to pull the trigger, I’m going big. I think if I keep the gas/gear load light and don’t try to run 80 up Eisenhower, I’ll be fine.

Come on stupid house!

Future next gen S2000 owner > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 17:03

0

I’ve watched that. Helped with my buying decision with shopping for the Taco. They run some useful tests but they are awful on camera.

HammerheadFistpunch > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 17:04

0

This is 100% accurate. Andre is the only watchable one of them.

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 17:05

1

Already cooked one GRFE, I don’t plan on doing another.

You’re right though - half of the fun of towing is arguing about towing online.

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 05/22/2018 at 17:06

1

well lets talk about me towing a 6200 lbs boat up to 7200 feet with my gx. Thats been on my mind.

functionoverfashion > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 17:11

1

I towed my 2003 Nautique home with a friend’s ‘09 Tacoma, and that boat was only 3,190 (stated weight) without the trailer. I have towed probably thousands of different boats with various different trucks as part of my old job at a marina, and I wouldn’t have wanted anything much bigger behind the Tacoma. It didn’t feel unsafe, though. Just, like, it was a bit of a struggle. He had a trans temp gauge and he (the owner of the truck) was concerned pretty much the whole time.

I feel like just about any modern 1/2 ton or suburban would handle that like a champ.

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 17:14

0

2004?

Towing capacity was rated at 2,300 kg (5,000 lb) for the 2003 model year. [2] Midway through the 2004 model year, the GX received an upgraded towing capacity of 2,900 kg (6,500 lb) with the addition of a much stronger frame-bolted tubular hitch.

GCWR of 11,500lbs minus Curb weigh of 4675lbs gives you 6825lbs to play with. -6200lbs boat means you are down to 625lbs - how many people are you taking and what are you packing for lunch? lol.

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 05/22/2018 at 17:16

0

2008, but I don’t have the factory class IV hitch, just a class III. $330 for the new one local. yeah...its tight on the GCWR.

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 17:23

0

That’s where the Tacoma falls short. Tongue and tow capacity are solid but then you think about the truck, plus the canopy, plus the family, and the dog (arguable part of the family) and the gear in the back - and soon you just stop and say, ‘yep, we’re good.. let’s go’

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 05/22/2018 at 17:25

0

yeah. Thankfully the GX is setup well; no mods, 3rd row for higher GVWR, towing package, air springs with leveling. The downsides are that its heavier than the Tacoma, has full time 4wd and no more HP (15hp less actually). Sure it has more Torque but HP pulls you up the hill.

nermal > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 17:27

0

Sell little truck, buy 3/4 ton diesel. Whichever one makes your bro-giblets tingle the most, doesn’t really matter which brand.

Future next gen S2000 owner > nermal 05/22/2018 at 17:29

0

Why though if I’m still under capacity? I’m a fan of using what I have to it’s potential.

Although, I’ve been looking at this - https://www.cars.com/vehicledetail/detail/735962870/overview/

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 17:34

0

By putting all the ‘extra’ stuff on the Tacoma I can get it to tow more comfortably than running it stock.

Airbags have always been on the list, want to get the susp set first.

Big difference last year with the E rated tires as well.

I’m very tempted by the trans cooler add on - watching the gauges going up as you just start the hill is not a fun feeling, I would rather it ran as cool as possible.

Same goes for the friction anti-sway bar. I added one made for a 24-27ft trailer onto our 19ft.

It keeps the trailer still behind the truck and makes it a lot more comfortable going down the highway. I can tell right away if I don’t have it tight enough.

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 05/22/2018 at 17:35

0

Thats the sway controller we have on our trailer. Wouldn’t do without it. I CRANK that sucker when we travel.

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 05/22/2018 at 17:35

0

What are your trans temps out of curiosity?

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 17:49

1

I wait until we’re out of the campsite/driveway before I buckle down the equilizer and crank on the friction bar.. things than make it stable don’t like sharp turns I’ve found..

nermal > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/22/2018 at 17:55

0

The problem with going by weights is that not all weights are the same.

A flat trailer full of gravel weighing 6500 lbs will not pull the same as a 30 ft RV weighing 6500 lbs. You run into the issue where the weight isn’t the issue, but the control of the trailer and the effects of wind are.

Longer trailers have more leverage on the truck towing them. Larger towed objects have more wind resistance, and will get pushed around more by wind coming from the sides.

In terms of having a comfortable towing experience, you’re better with a bigger truck and not worrying about it.

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 17:56

0

I’ve got this taped to the console while towing;

But I’ve got them corrected for C (lol).

I’ve seen the trans temp as high as 117C (242F) before they stabilized going up hill in 3rd.. Usual daily driving/ highway is between 75C and 90C (167-194F).

I’m interested to see the 3rd gen numbers this summer as it has more gears and more hp and ECT to work with..  

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 05/22/2018 at 17:59

0

I get to about 230 F with the tent trailer, but thats it. What about your coolant, towing that is? My coolant seems high, all the way up into the 220's but it stabilizes.

Future next gen S2000 owner > nermal 05/22/2018 at 18:44

0

That’s true. I won’t be hauling the boat out in windy conditions. While the wind might pick up, the lake and back is only about ten miles.

JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 20:59

2

I’ve towed ~5000 with a 2003 Tacoma v6 SR5 4x4 and it was... um... lets just say it was working hard. I also (stupidly) towed that weight without trailer brakes, I DO NOT recommend that. The Ecoboost F150 takes the same load like it wasn’t even there...

vicali > HammerheadFistpunch 05/22/2018 at 21:23

0

Coolant was Almost to 120C but I suspect the headgasket started around then too so that would have pumped it up a bit..

HammerheadFistpunch > vicali 05/22/2018 at 21:46

0

Oh yeah 120c is death zone

HammerheadFistpunch > JawzX2, Boost Addict. 1.6t, 2.7tt, 4.2t 05/22/2018 at 21:57

1

Oh I’m okay with slow and labored. I used to tow with the cruiser. It’s a matter of safely getting there.

adamftw > Future next gen S2000 owner 05/29/2018 at 12:05

1

You’ll be fine. Towed NY to TN and kept up with new 3/4 ton gassers.